Old Mounties are the New Guard in Surrey

As many of you are now aware, a new Chief has been anointed by the Surrey City Counsel Police board. The signalling white smoke has come out of the Surrey Detachment chimney officially proclaiming that Norm Lipinski has metamorphosed once again and become the head of the brand new Surrey Police Department. The selection process was described as an extensive “world wide search” and after casting this wide all encompassing net, it was then conveniently discovered, that they only needed to look a couple of miles west of Surrey to find the perfect candidate in the hamlet of Delta.  

The Police Board said they chose Lepinski because he was “a seasoned leader in community level policing”. Further, Mr. Lepinski after this thorough vetting, showed “demonstrable experience promoting progressive policing policies, including commitment to de-escalation training and ability to foster a diverse and inclusive environment”.

Now, many of you readers, will at this time begin the slow roll of the eyes skyward, but one must accept that this is after all the “new” policing world. Clearly, Mr. Lipinski has reached master class level in professing and promoting the politically acceptable —the lauded dialogue of “consultation” “progressive” “diversity” “representation” and “equity in policing” and he can probably put them all in one sentence.  

These professed qualities will undoubtedly be tested early. The large South Asian community in Surrey has already begun expressing displeasure at the choice of Mr. Lepinski.  

What may be more questionable is that Lepinski has now decided that at least two of his three Deputies should be from the Mounties— the same Mounties, they are striving to replace. The fact that he has chosen from the Mounties is somewhat perplexing, but even more baffling may be the two he has chosen for those Deputy positions. 

To help us better understand maybe we need to review the curriculum vitae of Mr. Lepinski, who is orchestrating this controversial transition, as it may provide some clues.  

Mr. Lepinski spent thirty years in the Edmonton Police Service before deciding that he wanted to re-settle into this land of the lotus. He seemed to use his time in Edmonton wisely. He achieved a Masters of Business Administration degree as well as a Bachelor of Laws Degree while there. 

He left Edmonton in 2010 after thirty years and then in a somewhat unusual move applied to be a red serge Mountie. This proposition was apparently received with wide open arms. In fact they were so taken with him, they immediately assigned him the high rank of Assistant Commissioner for E Division British Columbia. One could assume that this move was approved by the then Commissioner of the RCMP Bob Paulson.   

Then in 2015,  Lepinski, after a relatively brief five years with the RCMP (maybe long enough to find the way to the Tim Hortons in Green Timbers) then applies and becomes Deputy Chief of the Delta Police Department, a small 200 person department on the geographic boundary with Surrey. Here he joins his old alumni from Edmonton Police Service— Neil Dubord —who had become the Chief of Delta PD. No doubt this was a coincidence.  

Chief Dubord himself had spent twenty-five years with the Edmonton Police Service eventually rising to the rank of Deputy Chief in Charge of Community Policing. He left Edmonton in 2012 and he too headed for the milder climate of British Columbia where he too impressed the locals and won the job of Chief of BC Transit Police. 

After three short years Dubord also got itchy feet and then applied and won the competition to become the Chief of Delta PD . That was also in 2015. Dubord is also academically inclined and managed to earn a Masters degree in Leadership and Training and now lists himself as a Canadian Human Resource Professional. He has also written a dissertation for his PHD in business.

It may be a little cheeky to point out that, although academically gifted, loyalty would not be the single foremost characteristic for either of these individuals. 

But for Lepinski the career march continued once again. Lepinski spent five years in Delta and despite now having spent forty years in police work—having already reached the normal declared age of retirement at sixty-five— decides that he should apply and indeed warrant the job to become the  Chief of Surrey. 

It may be pertinent in the future to note that Lepinski’s spouse of many years is former Global television reporter Lynda Steele— who now has a radio talk show on CKNW the preeminent station in Vancouver and Surrey. CKNW throughout the development of MacCallum’s vision of a separate police agency was very anti-MacCallum. It will be interesting to note if the coverage changes in the next few years. 

So now, Lepinski after picking up his third pension cheque, has now assumed his new role as Chief of the  Surrey Police Service. 

Clearly, Mr. Lipinski is well versed in RCMP and Municipal police politics. It is equally clear that he has a deft ability to self-promote. However, he is now facing problems in Surrey that he would not have seen in Delta or during his brief stay in the Mounties. Surrey is unique in many ways in both its makeup and the problems that come with it; extensive gang activity, disparate ethnic communities, massive population growth, and a large immigrant contingent will create a fire hose of daily problems and emergencies– and that is not even considering the logistics of changeover of equipment and personnel. It will all demand an enormous amount of operational competency and a dextrous administration in this city which proclaims “Where the Future Lives Here” 

One has to constantly remember that the Mounties are being dispatched from Surrey because the policing need was not being met in that city; at least according to the majority of the voters and taxpayers of that City. The underlying enormous structural and cultural problems within the RCMP are at the root of the various issues and those issues can be placed squarely at the feet of the upper management of this organization over the last number of decades. It is not the individual police members. 

Therefore there is a singular issue of paramount importance in this transition and that is the need to transform the RCMP current structure. The normal organizational pyramid one expects, in the Surrey RCMP, is upside down. It is ridiculously top heavy.

The general duty officers, the uniforms, need to once again become the largest and dominant component of the detachment. Advancement and promotion need to be contingent on first coming through the rank and file where experience lurks, not in the carpeted cubicles of the current over bureaucratized offices. It is at the first attendance level that your future professional police officers are fed and cultivated and grow to be professional and competent officers of the law and would form the backbone of any professional service.

With deference to the background of Mr. Lepinski; his speciality in “community policing” or “diversity” is not either the main problem nor is it the solution to making Surrey a viable and professional police service. 

If one accepts the need for change and recognizes the obvious mis-management that has been occurring and accepted for many years in the RCMP, it would be seemingly counter-intuitive to think that in the building of this new force, that the Mountie system should be adopted wholesale in any way. Should it not be assumed that bringing into the fold some Mounties, who have thrived under this dysfunction, they would not be the likeliest candidates to lead any reform. In naming RCMP Supt Jennifer Hyland and RCMP Assistant Commissioner Mike Lesage as his Deputies, clearly Mr. Lipinski does not agree. 

Supt Jennifer Hyland, is a former twenty year member of the New West P.D. After this stint she also discovered it beneficial to move over to the Mounties where she too was welcomed with open arms and rose up the ranks. Inspector in North Vancouver for a brief time and then quickly promoted to being the Superintendent for the Maple Ridge RCMP; the same detachment she had served in from 2006-2014. 

Upon returning to Maple Ridge she said “This is my hometown, and this has been a career highlight for me—to be the chief of police in my hometown.”

(Coincidently, Hyland’s spouse, Paul Hyland just got made the Deputy Chief in New Westminster PD.) 

Apparently that homecoming feeling wore off after four years and she is now heading over to the Municipal force in Surrey.  She will oversee the “support services bureau, in charge of recruiting, training, leadership and development.” 

Supt. Hyland never seems hesitant to speak of her accomplishments and says that she is leaving having “fostered that culture of respect and support in Ridge Meadows”.

Hyland received the 2020 International Association of Women Police award for mentoring and coaching. The program according to the advocates was “successful in assisting female police officers with their advancement in leadership roles.” All laudable of course, especially in this woke age, but one wonders if the average Surrey voter feels that the problem with the current police department is a lack of female officers or that the officers are victims of a toxic culture. Again, Mr. Lepinski may think so. 

The second deputy choice, Mike Lesage, is even a little more baffling. If there was a classic manager personifying the RCMP in the last number of years it would be Mr. Lesage, who often points out that he is a member of the Garden River First Nation. His career trajectory is common to many in the high ranks of the RCMP; into Ottawa, and then out to the hinterland to dip his toe in the waters of the unwashed. National Aboriginal Policing, National Crime Prevention Section, the Community Policing Bureau, then stints with the Integrated National Security Enforcement Team and most recently the RCMP Anti gang unit at Combined Forces Special Enforcement Unit. 

So what can we make of these appointments. First and foremost the populace of Surrey will be hearing a lot about “community engagement”. We can also easily assume that the third and final Deputy will be of South Asian descent. But, when we get past the community consultation phase, the coffee klatches and the town hall meetings (the Delta PD have many town hall meetings) will there finally be some final recognition of the real problem? That is the unanswered question.

Only time will tell and maybe National Police Federation President Brian Sauve is right when he describes it as a “flawed transition” and that everything is in “disarray”. Of course, Mr. Sauve has been spending good Mountie union dues fighting against the obvious inevitably of the transition even happening. He also clearly has a vested interest in his union not losing the biggest RCMP detachment in the country. So it is entirely possible that he is wrong once again. 

To be sure, there is a cloying feeling to all of this, a feeling of old hat, old broom, nothing new; and that is indeed unfortunate.  The first opportunity may already have been missed.

Photo Courtesy of Reg Natarajan via Flickr Commons – Some Rights Reserved

12 thoughts on “Old Mounties are the New Guard in Surrey

  1. Good Article Peter,

    I copied one of your last paragraphs in order to lead you in the right direction . . . What has SAUVE done to gain a raise for “his” members?

    To get them to the level of VPD in wages will be a task but when will he try? If he could even get them to within the top 25 . . . for he is currently settled into the bottom 25.

    Look forward to you addressing this issue and I am sure you will find a way.


    BTW, junior members I have talked to say the RCMP is still claiming to have the “Best Pension”! Well excuse me for constables retiring from VPD and Delta as c constable with 28-29 years of service had take home pensions that was greater than my gross as a corporal with 33.5 years. Puzzling isn’t it?



  2. I worked with Norm Lapinski when he was in charge of the Lower Mainland District of the RCMP. Norm was a very intelligent and articulate person, who was sincere and extremely approachable by all. He listended to all advice priror to making decisions and brought the District into the 21st century, with his approach to intelligence lead policing. He was a true leader.
    I wish him the very best in his new challenge and know that he will do his very best in the role of Chief of Surrey Police.


  3. Great article, as always. Fantastic insight.

    I’ll be retiring soon from the force. I’ll be 60. My body is plumb worn out. A beach somewhere is calling me. It always amazes me the folks that continue on well past their expiration date. A new chief’s job at 65!? Why would someone do that? Money or pride I guess. You forgot that with CPP he’ll have four pensions. OAS will get clawed back otherwise he’d have five. What does Lipinski think he has to offer? What keen administrative insight could he possibly have? Hope he is happy at 70.

    One of the biggest disappointments of my career has been dealing with the abysmal quality leadership found at our officer level. Never really met a true leader. I always wanted to to be able to say that I would follow her or him to hell and back. Never could. Managers and politicians and egocentrics, yes. But true leaders, no. Lots of careerists and “ticket punchers” with nonsense MBA’s that they usually got from some Australian on-line university. When you ask them what they learned, you get smirks and shrugs. “Looks good on my resume,” is usually the answer. I’ve got two degrees and I still feel that I know nothing.

    As you very aptly stated, Surrey will be getting persons with “experience promoting progressive policing policies, including commitment to de-escalation training and ability to foster a diverse and inclusive environment”. Bafflegab. It’s sad that anyone buys into that nonsense.

    Good luck Surrey.


  4. And so the story goes, once upon a time these three pigeons at the top of the new Surrey Police Department all got educated with useless degrees on the Governments, or the City’s dime?
    Begs the question, tell us how many collars they have had between them all?
    Case closed, nothing changes does it?


  5. This is nothing but pure political power control by the so called higher ups that have been selected for the positions they are now in. It will be hard to understand how any RCMP member now serving there will even consider changing and flipping over to this new force. This will all turn out to be a political football for all of those involved in creating it!


  6. And after all of this, nobody mentions costs or even dares to compare them. As a taxpayer, this is my primary concern and focus. What do we get and for how much money compared to that with we have operated for 70 some years! Will the City of Surrey set up a separate legal branch to deal with any number of police complaints (actually complaints about the police). Will the City be forced to pay for RCMP air support or will they acquire a helicopter and how much will it cost to maintain it. Oh yes, let’s not forget maritime services. Search reaches coastal and river waters. Will the City strike an accord with the RCMP to continue to provide these services, or more importantly, how much will it cost taxpayers? Who will pay medical pensions to SPS members injured on the job? Oh that’s correct, the taxpayers will have to contribute to Workers Compensation Board which has been totally foreign to the RCMP members. Oh yes, that means the City taxpayers will have to contribute to that as well.

    McCallum has one thing in mind and it is his personal grudge, however, caused. His intention to foist this upon taxpayers is folly. We the taxpayers of Surrey will quickly rid ourselves of this mayor, bring back the RCMP and then pay severance to his executive. These costs would be a windfall for the members to receive them but even with that the long-term cost of policing will subside again with Federal subsidization. Enough madness, this mayor has to go!
    A very concerned taxpayer!


    1. Hello, Your comments on the cost(s) are valid and well laid out. You should understand though that currently, 90 % all those costs you mentioned are being paid currently through your tax dollars. The Feds don’t give any of it out for free…the difference in cost will be that additional 10%. In addition, you are also currently paying for a very bloated and top heavy RCMP structure. In the end you may end up paying little more than you do currently if they can reduce some of that top heavy rank. You are right about some of the secondary and tertiary services if they are required so we can only wait and see. The RCMP is now unionized, the other foot is yet to drop in terms of all the h.r. issues that this will entail, which if you keep the RCMP will be coming out of your tax dollars…just some more food for thought…thanks for reading…Pete


  7. Mr Lipinkski and his Mountie counterparts were selected for one reason only, that was to slow walk this transition until the next Municipal election in Surrey and hope the current Mayor is not re-elected. Problem solved, no more need for the Surrey Police Department, these three get another pension cheque for the rest of their lives.

    Why would they do this you ask? BC Government Police Services just went through a complete purge after it was discovered that the Ex-Mountie BBC and her friends completely interfered with the Surrey transition and Chief Selection Process.

    The Police Services Branch of the BC Government is staffed with retired RCMP Executives, this is done to ensure the RCMP stay in BC and if the largest RCMP detachment in Canada was successfully transitioned to Municipal Police it would start the domino effect across the LMD.

    Many municipalities want the RCMP out but doing that on your own is very risky for a Mayor of City Manager. If Surrey was successful then North Van, Richmond, Maple Ridge would be next, nobody wants the RCMP policing their municipality in this day and age. The smaller municipalities are sick of paying for Surrey crime enforcement. RCMP Integrated Services allows the Mounties to bill the smaller municipalities for services like Police dogs, ERT, Ident, Accident Investigation, but use these services in Surrey 90% of the time.

    Classic example of this was a few years ago in North Vancouver when a lady had her purse snatched in a violent robbery around the NV Auto Mall. Suspect fled on foot, witnesses called 911, a VPD K9 was close by but was refused attendance by the ignorant RCMP Supervisor who in turn called an RCMP K9 unit from Surrey. 23 minutes later (to be exact) an RCMP K9 showed up but the suspect was long gone and so was his scent. Classic RCMP operational failure. There are many, many, more of these examples and this is why the RCMP needs to be removed from front line Policing altogether.

    This is also why the Premier of Alberta will have all contract RCMP uniform presence removed from Alberta within 5 years.


    1. Thanks for your comments Bob. You point out one of the things that hasn’t been talked about specifically by this blog, which is the domino effect that could change policing in the LMD. In terms of Police Services, you will be happy to know that Wayne Rideout has now replaced Brenda Butterworth Carr. Thanks for reading


      1. Great…yet another Mountie Executive to maintain the Status Quo in Police Services Branch. The names change but the mantra stays the same, maintain the RCMP hold on BC! BBC will hopefully be charged criminally with several offences due to her involvement in the Surrey Chief and Police Board selection process.


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